Greater Shooting Disaster Averted at Colorado Church

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1. USCitizen on December 10, 2007 10:46 pm

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   # by Christianptriot

   Closing any supposed loopholes, limiting gun purchases to one a month would not have stopped either of the two recent shootings: in one case the man stole the firearm he used, and I have not heard about the Colorado church shootings but most likely he purchased them legally.

   If there is no cause for someone to NOT have a firearm – by proof of past actions or behavioes – then you cannot DENY the right to keep and bear arms. Ths is ot a GOP thing or an NRA thing. It is a constitutional thing. Without the Second Amendment it is likely possible that we would mot have the other 9 of the ten Rights in the Bill of Rights. If you want to protect the ballot box, you have to maintain an accessible and unrestricted ammo box.

   # by RuffRidr

   machinesbreathe:
   How did the “No Guns Allowed” sign work in the Omaha mall? It didn’t do a damn thing to deter the criminal. If the following account is true, and I believe it is, then it actually contributed to the loss of some of the lives there:

   http://joemerchant24.blogspot.com/2007/12/firsthan …

   # by dlbfromLA

   When it comes to personal protection you are always on your own. There will never be someone when you need them to protect you from some form of criminal element. Your best bet is know your surroundings, carry the proper caliber weapon for the given circumstances, have a good grip and a true aim and it will work for you every time!

   # by Christianptriot

   After doing some more reading about this story, it turns out that this person was a member of the church who volunteered to do this after the church heard about the shootings earlier that same day at the Youth With A Mission facility.

   When it comes to your safety in public, the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect any one citizen, but rather they are to uphold the rule of law in general for a society – meaning you as a person are on your own.

   # by Christianptriot

   Regardless of where you stand on concealed carry of firearms, you must admit that the woman at the New Life church saved lives by being armed. Those people who were unarmed had two things going for them: There was an armed person on site, and they did not have to wait around for the police to arrive!

   # by FiringPin

   Gun free zones are easy victim zones.

   # by drachemorder

   Yeah, good luck getting rid of all guns. That’s really a realistic goal right there. People who want a gun will find a way to get one.

   # by DreadPirate

   Mightydavefish – the gun the shooter had WAS ALREADY ILLEGAL! More gun laws wouldn’t have changed a damn thing. Try that simple fact on for size, as it destroys all of your pathetic arguments.

   # by mightydavefish

   Yeah moron, it’s not the gun held by the killer, it’s the fact that no one else had a gun.
   Fucktard.
   You idiot gun nuts just can’t think rationally about this at all, can you?
   Somebody get’s killed by guns and the first fucking retarded comment out of your mouth is “we need more guns”.

   # by DreadPirate

   However, in countries that have significant restrictions in gun ownership and are lacking a culture of self-defense, gun crime has only gone up. By your reasoning, the UK should be a safe place, as very few people are allowed to own or carry guns in public. However, over there, the criminals have all the guns, and the average citizen cannot defend him or herself, and gun crime is very high.

   # by Dimensio

   “Armed security is one thing, but an inordinate number of private citizens with concealed weapons is a frightening prospect, knowing just how trivial some people can be.”

   Indeed. Every day there must be a mass shooting in places where civillians are allowed to carry concealed deadly weapons by the state. Vermont, which allows such such carry without so much as a permit, must be awash in blood.

   I’m sure that you can provide substantiation of your fears, right?

   # by TeachX3

   violence has existed since the dawn of time, a gun is nothing but a tool used by one who has violence in their heart and chooses to act on it. If they did not have a gun, a different tool would be used.

   # by drachemorder

   “Don’t wish the gunman had no gun, oh no.”
   That might be nice, but it’s absolutely unrealistic. Guns exist. You can’t change that no matter how much you’d like to. Yeah, in a perfect world there’d be no guns, but we don’t live in that world. (I’d like to, though — I’d be able to take over that world with a pea shooter!)

   # by drachemorder

   “No, we don’t have to admit that.”
   Yes you do. If she had not been armed the shooter would have certainly killed lots of people. That’s a plain fact.

   # by DreadPirate

   Well said

   # by republicker

   has a gun got up and shot you at some point?

   # by republicker

   Well considering a security guard w/ a nine mil took the guy out i believe he is right. you lose

   # by Christianptriot

   In response to an earlier comment about one of my previous posts:

   Closing any supposed loopholes, limiting gun purchases to one a month would not have stopped either of the two recent shootings: in one case the man stole the firearm he used, and I have not heard about the Colorado church shootings but most likely he purchased them legally.

   If there is no cause for someone to NOT have a firearm – by proof of past actions or behavioes – then you cannot DENY the right to keep and bear arms. Ths is ot a GOP thing or an NRA thing. It is a constitutional thing. Without the Second Amendment it is likely possible that we would mot have the other 9 of the ten Rights in the Bill of Rights. If you want to protect the ballot box, you have to maintain an accessible and unrestricted ammo box.

   # by DreadPirate

   I take my comment back – upon further research, the ak-47 the shooter had was a varient that was illegal, but that was stolen from his stepfather. So while the gun itself was legal, the shooter had it illegally.

   # by Dimensio

   “You are oversimplifying the facts.”

   Interesting. You can’t support your assertion with a single real-world example, yet the shooting referenced was stopped by a PRIVATE CITIZEN WITH A GUN and it’s me who is “misrepresenting facts.”

   # by DreadPirate

   If someone like this had been around during the mall shooting recently, many fewer people may have been killed. But anti-gun activists don’t want to hear about things like that – they are too busy doing their best to ensure that as few people as possible can legally own guns of any kind.

   # by Glugory

   No matter how many times you have legislative people write, “Guns are illegal” on a piece of PAPER, there will still be guns. Anyone who wants to do something like this obviously wouldn’t care if guns are illegal. They would still get one. I’m amazed by people like you that think words on a piece of paper would change the minds of psychopaths who are hellbent on going on a killing spree. You sir, are the ignorant one in this discussion. Get your head out of this world of sunshine and puppy dogs and wake up.

   # by DoscoJones

   It wasn’t a private citizen. It was a security guard employed for this purpose. Get your facts straight.

   # by mightydavefish

   Yeah, and only a moron would rather have EVERYONE carry guns than just change the law so the cops work for us.
   Jesus Christ, you gun nuts just turn your brains off when the subject of guns comes up.

   # by Slightfade

   Great news!
   I’m not making light of the tragedy, just happy that an armed citizen was able to prevent more murder.
   I watched that story last night about the little Indian man that walked around for 7 hours in that college, I sure wish one of those victims would have been armed.
   A lot of people are against what Joe Horn did, but I bet Sean Taylor’s Widow wishes he had been her neighbor…

   # by SuperWinner

   What a tragedy!!!

   # by DoscoJones

   Bullshit. Two rights don’t make a wrong. The failure here is that the crazy fucker had a gun in the first place.

   # by mightydavefish

   I guess you are too dense to figure out that if the mall shooter didn’t have a gun then NO ONE would have been killed.
   Then you idiots wouldn’t have to try to convince people that the best way to solve gun violence is MORE FUCKING GUNS.
   Ah, you gun nut fucktards are ruining the world.
   The gun industry is complicit in this, too.

   # by machinesbreathe

   You are oversimplifying the facts.
   To chalk up the general safety to private gun ownership is to selectively ignore a number of crucial details.
   Vermont has long been far removed from the rampant gun violence that plagues the vast majority of the country. It has also typically ranked amongst the lowest of the states in violent crime statistics.

   Going by your logic, due to licensed gun ownership per-capita, Texas would be amongst the safest states in the union, which couldn’t be any further from the truth.

   In substantiation of my concerns, I never implied or alluded to any prospect or potential of an all out O.K. Corral shootout on part of qualified and responsible private gun owners. But people can and have been trivial in their judgment, and tend to act on emotion rather than insight. Might does not make more right, and can only culminate in an situation where everyone is armed to the teeth and walking on eggshells when conducting the most casual of exchanges.

   # by DreadPirate

   “Inordinate number”? What would you consider to be an ordinate number of people allowed conceled carry permits? Zero?

   People have the right to own a gun despite the best efforts of yourself and others who think like you, and they have been proven to save lives during home invasions. Areas where guns are not allowed are where the criminals know to go to find defenseless victims. Great Britain is a good example of this – since they tightly locked down gun ownership, the amount of gun crime over there has only gone *up*.

   # by mightydavefish

   Right fucktard.
   Don’t wish the gunman had no gun, oh no.
   Instead wish EVERYONE ELSE was packing murder weapons too.
   Every time a gun issue comes up it seems the gun nuts get dumber and dumber.
   Now there isn’t even an ATTEMPT to rationally think about the situation and what’s best for EVERYONE, not just your selfish ass.

   # by mightydavefish

   No, we don’t have to admit that.
   We CAN admit that the GOP support of the NRA has gotten us into this situation.
   In fact, we can admit that without GOP support of the “guns guns guns” lobby that many of our mall and school shootings would never have occured.

   (Hmmm I wonder why I can’t generate this much discussion on my posts. – Ed.)